We dont eat canned goods
 

The only canned goods we use are tomato products and tuna. So theres nothing to rotate. We eat fresh fruits, veges and fowl and fish.

But food is a must have , the 3500$ alpine aire freeze dried gourmet is the one Ill get.

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I generally stick to fresh organic foods, myself. I make exceptions for the apocolypse or other extenuating circumstances. Eat right, vitamins, exercise, you still die anyway but you live better.

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Your thread...but since this is the Survival Prep Section, can you maybe suggest some real-world storage foods?

I have been trying some various 5-oz canned chicken, ham, etc and wonder if the GIMers who do/will eat canned foods might help me decide what to buy. I like the one-person size. Any experienced suggestions on favorite canned foods for WTSHTF storage? I want to buy a year's supply this Summer and would eat/rotate as needed.
:yippee:

p.s single-portion size please

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It's pretty hard to find single portion cans of meats, fish or fowl. I really don't eat canned food except sardines sometimes when I'm camping and tomato sauce for spagetti. WTSHTF, I'll eat whatever I can. I usually eat 8 to 10 ounces of fresh grilled halibut at one setting but if I opened an 8 ounce can of fish I'd eat half and.....here, doggie!
I eat like Rev127, cost is not a factor, I buy the best I can find. The freeze dried stuff sounds good for spoiled taste buds. I don't know about alpine aire, but Mountain house has a lot of processed stuff I don't eat. No refined sugars, no MSG, no hydrogenated oils and no GMO if I can help it.
I do like organic rice and beans, with a little squirrel meat or maybe a chunk of bear rump in a pot of beans I'll be OK.
I intend to buy some of the canned dehydrated vegetables from Walton's next time I pass thru that area.

http://waltonfeed.com/sitemap.html

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Ponce <----- 66 years old, single, never gets sick and an expert with a can opener :cheerful:

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And with a birthday in June......another 6 hahahahahahahahah :birthday:

I wonder is 6666 is worse than 666?

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I don't eat canned food either. That's why I am asking now. Gotta store something for WTSHTF. Come on...suggestions please. What do you store for a year that you would actually eat?
:yippee:

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Book? you YOU YOU buy a can of this and that that you believe you would like and try it out.......and if you like it then buy more.....after all you are the one who will eat it.

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Damn...why didn't I think of that!

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Simplicity is my mind.

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I picked up some Dinty Moore beef stew awhile back to try out. It came in a pack of 6, is listed as preservative-free and has a freshness date of Oct. 2008.

Tasted pretty good too.

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Thank you Sir. I'll add it to my list.
:smile:

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Ponce,
ANOTHER June baby! Me too. But you got me by 13 years.

If you folks want 'individual' servings of fish and chicken, I think it's Starkist has started packaging them in individual serving foil packs. My wife travels for a living. Most motel rooms she stays in don't have a refeer. So she has all the tricks to purchase the stuff she wants from the local grocer and eat it all week long without it going bad.

She says she likes the taste of the individual pack tuna. We have numerous ones on our shelf. But we also store the cans of tuna as well. We have canned Danish ham. God knows what it's shelf life is. But I see that more as a supplement to beans & rice when we have gone through three months plus of supplies. Vienna sausage. Beanie Weenies (I can light up Chicago later though). And the favorite one in Hawaii, SPAM.

We can our own tomatoes. Shelf life is three years. Give or take six months. If it smells bad, out it goes. And it's NOT just tomatoes. We do regular tomatoes only. Italian tomatoes, we add onions and garlic. Mexican tomatoes we add onions, garlic and jalapenos. ALL out of my garden. I grow enough so we have enough canned to last a little over a year. So we give two to six cans out a year to friends. All love the fresh taste of our canned tomatoes. Good start for a tomatoe sauce. Or soups.

We will start canning large quantities of my wifes soups this season. We find that they freeze well. And they can even better. She does a SW Chicken tortilla that puts a smile on my face. MMM, MMM, good!

We can all our peppers as well. Shelf life is one year. We eat them all up. Saving those last one or two cans until harvest is about to happen. Then we eat them as well.

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Fresh meat, vegetables, and fruits can all be home canned. Get a good canning guide (like the Ball Blue Book) and a good pressure canner and extra parts, jars, etc., and learn how to can yourself.

So what happens if you cannot can and preserve your food yourself once you run out of store bought food and you're growing/catching/hunting food after it hits the fan? Ouch!

Personally, I'd have plenty of modern jars and lids (can never store too many lids!) but also have older style jars that use the reusable rubber rings to seal up: not as safe as the modern jars but when you have no more modern lids you'll need something...

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Wallew my real birth month is April in the US but was taken to Cuba and registered and being born there in June..... diamond is my sign and a ram travels with me :cheerful:

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Thanks wallew. Added Starkist foil packs.
:call: << anyone else have a favorite?

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I love http://www.justtomatoes.com/ I am a big vegi eater and this stuff is awsome and organic!

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Low Sodium Spam. Love it, hate it, nothing offers the caloric density nor provides as much vitamin C, protein and other vitamins and minerals in such a small space... and it has an indefinate shelf life to boot. Eat it hot or cold, the key on the can eliminates the need for any other can opener.

Once you get over the the initial "ewww! I don't want Spam!" factor and actually learn to cook with it you'll find its not too bad at all. If you have an irrational fear of Spam you'd like to get over, I reccomend dicing it up and cooking it into an omlette. A good way for a beginner to approach it is anything you'd do with ham, try with Spam, and remember our motto,

Pain is temporary. Spam is forever!

:spam4:

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT!
 

REV127,

Really man....you deserve better... please don't put that barf in your body.

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Rev? I eat Spam from the can or make a sandwich with bread and katshup, I don't cook it, got about 100 cans in stock and they will last for ever.

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You convinced me REV127 to reconsider Spam for WTSHTF food storage. Nobody has reported a health problem with it and it has been around for decades. Somebody is buying and eating it still. I'll add it to my list. Thanks!
:coolbeer:

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Listen here Mr. Ponce Cuba ; All that tv dinners, canned goods, SPAM .... has a fairly large amount of chemicals, preservatives and Nitrates . these attach and eventually permeate the intestinal walls and eventually these poisons after 20 years become very toxic and kill a person from the inside out.

Eat the fun foods but at least twice a year do a thorough colon cleanse.

Poisons turned to hazardess waste after many years lodged in the intestinal tract.

We want you around a while and not with a bag hanging off your belt.

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Isn't Spam just pork by-products (lips, front and rear)? What does Spam have that a canned Danish ham wouldn't have? I'm trying to be open minded about this,some kind of pork would be appropriate for those dry beans.

The smell of spam is surpassed only by it's flavor.

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WTSHTF we need something to barter with the Zionists.
:wavey:

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http://www.herbdoc.com/store/Scripts...ategory=24&h=1

This is what ive been using for the past 8 years.

HIGH QUALITY too.

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Don't know if it counts as a survival food, or if your can store it for a long time, but i love "Campbells chunky soup" w/ townhouse crackers...

....but only "vegetable soup" or "hearty vegetable soup" none of that mystery meat crap......just the vegetable soup....

One time i bought the "chicken noodle" and one of the pieces of chicken had a big ass vain that looked like a heart:puke:

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That explains your name.
:rolleyes:
Got any canned food suggestions?

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Thanks...added to my list.

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This guy wishes he didn't partake of canned goods. Botulism. Bad meat in the can.:coolbeer: :eek: :D

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Liberace didn't contract his AIDS from canned meat.
:offtopic:

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Thanks for the cooking tips!

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[quote=Book]That explains your name.
:rolleyes:
Got any canned food suggestions?[/quote

Well actually I forgot a can of dinty moore stew on the manofold of my truck one time and it must have boiled 2 or 3 times .I opened it to eat it and all there was nothing there. Its like burger king food , its all air and filler, stays with you about an hour or two thats it, its a waste of time and money . No vitamins and people that live on this crap look like crackheads, with zits and pale unhealthy white trash piece of shit type skin!

Know the type?

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Lets face it people in Africa they are making soup out of tree leaves and the bark of the same........ if you have to you will eat anything, in Cuba they are even eating cats..... I seen the skin by the sidewalk, many of them.

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Yes...I do know that type.
:smile:

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I'm a home canner too. That is the best way.

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Actually Spam isn't made from the worst parts of a pig, it's not the highest quality delicacy on the planet but it is pork shoulder and ham with a little chicken added, not bad at all.

Spam does have several advantages over the Danish canned hams, primarily in the department of nutritional density. Consider these following stats lifted straight from the cans, the Danish ham is Plumrose and the Spam is the 25% less sodium variety.

Weight
Danish ham: 16oz
Spam: 12oz(25% lighter per unit)

Calories per can
Danish ham: 480
Spam: 1080

Calories from fat per can (important for lasting energy)
Danish ham: 160
Spam: 840

Vitamin C per can
Danish ham: 0%
Spam: 180%

The one area that the Danish ham edges out Spam is in total protein, it has 80gr as compared to Spam's 42g. Since you get 25% more Spam per allocated weight, you could fudge that a little and up it to 52.5gr protein for Spam.

What makes Spam outshine all other canned meats, beyond its unbeatable shelf life, is the fact that it has enough calories per 12oz can to keep you alive if a bit skinny and will provide you with 180% of your vitamin C ration. Since Spam's calories come primarily from fat it will feel more filling than foods which derive calories from sugars or starches and that energy will stay with you longer. Vitamin C is absolutely essential to human nutrition and it is one of the few vitamins that are that we just can't synthesize ourselves, and we're almost unique in the world of mammals on this matter. No sweat with Spam, it's got you covered. Just remember that only the 25% Less Sodium Spam offers the vitamin C. Canned pineapple goes well with heated up Spam as far as flavor goes and also brings a hefty kick of vitamin C, 100% per 8oz can.

One 12oz can of Spam combined with some beans and rice will be perfectly edible, if not gourmet, and will give two people everything they need to survive for low weight and low cost. You'd have to eat two pounds of Danish canned ham to equal the caloric value of 1 12oz can of Spam. You can travel almost 3 times as far or live three times as long on a given weight of Spam as you can on the same weight of Danish ham and you wouldn't have to be stuffing yourself to the gills to do it.

I don't eat this stuff every day, I mostly stick to fresh organic foods just because it's healthier and tastes great, but for survival rations Spam is a canned meat that can't be beat!

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Lets face it people when TSHTF even cat food will you eat if you have to.

I you go to the store and there is nothing left but cat food then grab it really fast like...... at the end you will love it, I did have a can of cat food (by accident) and it wasent that bad.

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Ponce, people buy catfood to eat in emergencies every year here in FL... as soon as a hurricane is looming on the horizon the yankees and illegals and other non-Floridians strip the shelves at the grocery stores bare, usually with only pet food left. They buy it, and not just the low class trash. It's often the upper middle class and rich sheeple that are the last to respond and the major buyers of cat and dog food for human consumption.

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QWAK,Ponce, Plan ahead ---- Get you a FAT GIRL FRIEND when it gets down to "DOG eats DOG" she will be a HUGE "ASS -ETT" ! :bandito: :rofl: :Sorry: :cheerful:

It's THAT or the CATS!

the DUCK

Pork for red beans and rice
 

Thanks for the detailed info, REV127. It looks like what spam has enough of is fat and ascorbic acid. If we're going to be living off our dried beans, the fat will be highly coveted. That brings me to another question. What about storing fat? If you buy bacon or salt pork it's usually full of delicious chemicals, most of which I'd rather do without. Besides I haven't seen either in cans. SAlt pork used to be a mainstay for feeding troops 120 years ago, many got scurvy without the vitamin C, but in any case it must have kept well and provided a lot of energy. I wonder if there is any way to buy smaller canned portions of very fat but good cuts of ham with salt as the only preservative. Supplementing vitamin C is not much of a hurdle.

The Cajuns regularly eat "red beans and rice", made with kidney beans I think and white rice. Cajuns won't eat beans without pork so I imagine it has some form of pork in it. I ate a lot of it when I worked on offshore gas production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. It tastes good and the two main ingredients, beans and white rice, are well suited for long term storage. I must add, I never got sick of it. A redbeansandrice recipe belongs in every survival pantry, IMO. 3 pounds of beans and two pounds of rice with a few ounces of fat pork and you can feed a whole lot of people and they will love it.
I'm still looking for an alternative to spam. I have a difficult time believing that they use decent cuts of pork and chicken to make it. Kind of like sausage... if you really knew the ingredients you wouldn't eat it.

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Well guys that is a way of life (eating pet food) for the elderly on Social Security and a fixed income ......... I am sure that in Cuba that would be a feast for some of my people, as a matter of fact in Cuba they don't sell pet food at the stores....pets are the food.

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QWAK,In south america they rase GINNEY PIGS not for lab anamals and they do live in the house on scraps and are concidered PETS untill dinner time! They even have FAST FOOD places that serve GINNY PIG, no BURGER KING or McDonalds!

When it gets UGLY, to SURVIVE people will get very UNCONVENTIONAL or DIE!

The way we live today is a historic ANOMILY, waisting more than we use or need and we SHOULD expect it WILL end abruptly and that many will NOT be able to adjust to the transition to what WAS concidered not that long ago NORMAL!

In Nam one time a Mama San gave me somthing to eat and it taisted like chicken with unusual spices, it turned out to be CAT, she called it #1 CHOP CHOP!:eek: They also ate NOOKMOM which is litterly PUTRIFIED FISH poured over rice, I could not get passed the smell but they injoyed it. :puke:

When it comes to survival, INCETS are about 80% protean and will keep you alive IF you can get passed knowing what you are eating.:redface:

the DUCK

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Thanks again REV127 for this info. Since this is a thread in the Survival Prep Section of GIM, foods that can be stored for a long time are relevant here.

Until we find one maybe REV127's suggestion is valid and has merit. We are talking WTSHTF here and the Donner Party would have killed for a can of Spam. Anybody else got a favorite canned food?
:beer: <<< shelf-life of beer?

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I eat a lot of canned soups and chili, and they are available in organic/free range varieties now, which is what I stock up on.

I've also got a stash of freeze dried food for it's longevity and light weight.

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Apple Sauce. In glass jars, seem to last for years.

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We do a lot of canning also. Would you mind sharing some of the favorite canned soup recipes? I would love to have more home canned soup in the pantry.

Farmgal, getting ready for canning season

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My favorite soup to can. Also the first soup the wife cooked for me.:love:

I'll put amounts for about 1lb of meat, and you can multiply. Everything is adjustable to taste.

Brown up stew cut beef (even better with venison. the venison flavor is richer and the toughness is a plus instead of a minus as it holds together.)
Add 4 cups canned or fresh tomatoes, chopped, with any liquid
2 chopped onions
1 sweet pepper (if desired)
1 -4 cloves garlic, chopped fine (to taste)
4 big carrots, sliced
About 2 cups diced potato
Frontier lemon pepper to taste (no chemicals in that brand)
Basil to taste
Bay leaf
Salt to taste
Water to make it have plenty of simmer room. Cover everything well.
If we canned tomato juice I sometimes add some.

Simmer till carrots are tender. Ready to eat some, can some, though it is best after spending the night in the fridge and getting reheated, or after being heated from the can. The flavors get to know each other and YUM.

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For Vitamin C,rose hips and pine needle tea are 2 excellent sources.

Spuds:sheep:

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Farmgirl,
You know, it's funny you ask. I don't know if we have an ACTUAL recipe as my wife and I cook so much by 'feel' or taste.

Yesterday we made a large batch of her SW Chicken tortilla soup. Lots of veggies, two canned mex tomatoes out of our pantry, one whole chicken (well at least two thirds - we keep some for sandwiches), BUT this time she bought chicken broth.

I MAKE all our chicken broth. Made a double batch this time, as I got lazy last time and just froze the bones from the last chicken we made soup with. And we actually HAD a one gallon container of frozen broth downstairs that she didn't see, which is why she bought some.

We throw out very little. You would be surprised how much of the food stuff most people throw out are the best parts of the veggies or meat. We ALWAYS make broth for the next round of soup making.

I will have to ask if we actually have a recipe for her soup. We never go to our recipe file. I think we started with a recipe from food.com and then SEVERELY modified it.

If ANYONE really likes their home made soups, we have a book called "The Culinary Institute of America BOOK OF SOUPS" published in 2001 by Lebhar-Freidman Books.

It has over 100 soup recipes that we draw from all the time.

Hope that helps.

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Thanks wallew and AMforPM for your soup recipes. I will enjoy trying them out.

Farmgal

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Tomato. Nothing easier. Unfortunately, I don't have a recipe, except tomatoes, onions, etc. Interestingly, much richer and better than store tins.

Tomato is a ringer because of high acid content should keep it safe for long periods. Dirt-cheap ingredients can only be matched by leeks, potatoes, or onions.

Second, salsa, again for acid content, but it tends to break down in storage.

For fat, oil is the kingpin of all cooking. Oil will be the most in demand, maybe even before sugars, and the hardest to get from conversion to lamps, driving, heating, eating, bombs, etc. Olive oil in tin is nice, for oxidation is the enemy and the life is longer. Probably why "Criscos" did so well in the Depression--long storage, cheap price. Bad for you though.

I'd make oil top of all foods. You can get wild greens, fruits, potatoes, corn from your yard, but you won't get oil without a press and refining/storage process.

TS

Buy oil!

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Oils don't have a long shelf life, so plan on rotating.

http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/iie.html